Anti-aging and Nutritional Supplements with Ron Beckenfeld: Rational Wellness Podcast 416

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Ron Beckenfeld discusses Anti-aging and Nutritional Supplements with Dr. Ben Weitz.

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Ron Beckenfeld is the CEO of Continental Vitamin Company that produces the Superior Source product line of vitamins, minerals, and herbal supplements with instant-release tablets that utilize a MicroLingual delivery system for quicker and more direct absorption.  His website is SuperiorSourceVitamins.com.

 

Dr. Ben Weitz is available for Functional Nutrition consultations specializing in Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders like IBS/SIBO and Reflux and also Cardiometabolic Risk Factors like elevated lipids, high blood sugar, and high blood pressure.  Dr. Weitz has also successfully helped many patients with managing their weight and improving their athletic performance, as well as sports chiropractic work by calling his Santa Monica office 310-395-3111.

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Dr. Weitz: Hey, this is Dr. Ben Weitz, host of the Rational Wellness Podcast. I talk to the leading health and nutrition experts and researchers in the field to bring you the latest in cutting edge health information. Subscribe to the Rational Wellness Podcast for weekly updates and to learn more, check out my website, drweitz.com.  Thanks for joining me, and let’s jump into the podcast.

 

Hello, Rational Wellness podcasters. We are here today again with my friend Ron Beckenfeld, who’s the CEO of Continental Vitamin Company, a leader in the health and fitness industry. And he produces high quality dietary supplements in Los Angeles. And, uh, he is very focused on promoting health and longevity.  And so we’re going to center our discussion today around how to promote health, and longevity, especially among the older population. So Ron. Uh, thank you so much for joining us again today.

Ron: It’s a pleasure and, and you’re a credit to the business. Uh, you’re in great shape. You’re not a spring chicken like me, not as old as me.  I’m gonna, I’m gonna be 81. I’ve known you, uh, before you became a professional. There you go. Yeah. When you just went to school and it’s been a great relationship and you’re a real pioneer, 

Dr. Weitz:  And I remember when you were selling vitamins out of the back of your car at the gym. 

Ron: That’s right.  Right? That’s right.  Both come a long way. Yeah. My major thing is that you get older, I think, uh, where people just don’t really understand. You really need to really focus on, I’m in the supplement business. I have my Superior Source brand. But just take eating properly. Fresh foods, very important. Exercise is important.  You don’t need a ton of it. Uh, proper rest. And mainly eating good fresh food and, and eating, you know, uh, regularly. And, and I think as you eat older, I think you gotta keep your protein up for sure. Whether you, where you wanna get it from, wherever you want to get it from is okay. You know.

Dr. Weitz: Well, so where do you think most people go wrong?  Do you think it’s on the eating, on the exercise, on the proper supplementation, on the sleep. What do you think, uh, are the places where people, most lack?

Ron: it’s all you just touch on is important, but if I’ve had to boil down to one, it’s at, at the dinner table eating. Yeah, things have changed so much.  And you know, Ben, when we first got it, I mean the, the protein powders were horrible. They didn’t even have nutritional labeling. And you go to any of these high-end, uh, health food stores like supermarkets, they got, they can make paper take taste good and could be clean  too. It’s almost like, you know, either you’re going to take care of yourself or not, but there’s so many good choices to take care of yourself. It’s unbelievable. And I think the food is number one. You do need to move, you do need to exercise, and I think you do some resistance training. A lot of people make a mistake, and I think it’s a fallacy. I don’t know if you’ll agree with me or not. I think as you get older, I think you need, uh, not a lot, not a ton of it, but you need good resistance training, not like you take a weight and you, and after 30 reps, you’re looking around. You know what I mean? I mean, where you’re pushing a little bit. I think it’ll, that’ll, uh, keep you strong and especially your leg strength as you get older is critical along with your posture. I.

Dr. Weitz: Balance. Yeah, no, absolutely. You know, one of the keys to longevity is one of the things that cuts a lot of people’s lives short is when they fall and break a hip.  And so loss of muscle, what we call sarcopenia. That’s right, loss of bone, what we call osteopenia or osteoporosis. Those are huge factors that are going to cut short your life and limit your mobility and, and it’s clear that. Not just weight training, but some heavy weight training is the only way you’re gonna maintain your muscle and your bone.  I recently interviewed Belinda Beck, who is this physical therapist from Australia, and she is the only one to publish studies showing that you could. Increased bone density with a weight training program. And the reason why everybody else has fallen short on their studies is they have people do a few lightweights or a few machines, and it’s not enough.  You’ve gotta really load the muscles and you’ve gotta load the bones. So she has. Mostly women in her studies, but she’s also extended it to men. They, they do deadlifts, squats, overhead presses, five sets of five rep maximum. So they’re doing [00:05:00] as heavy weight as they can for five reps. That doesn’t mean just using three pound dumbbells.  And, and then she also has ’em do some ballistic movement. Which when you can ballistically load the bones, that’s been actually shown to provide the greatest stimulus to bone density. Now obviously you have to build up to it. You have to do it gradually. But to be able to load the bones like that is a real important, uh, through impact.  So there’s no doubt that doing some, uh, heavy resistance training is one of the keys to longevity.

Ron: You didn’t touch on the protein. I think that’s got to be tied into it too.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah, I agree. Um, it’s very interesting, this whole protein intake because in the nutritional part of longevity science as anything related to nutrition, as, you know, it’s kind of like politics.  There’s the groups, there’s the vegan group, you got the carnivore group, you got the mini.  Everybody’s fighting saying this is the only way to do it. And so you got the, you know, one of the arguments from a lot of the. The vegan group is that, uh, animal protein’s bad. In fact, protein can be bad because it can increase, mTOR and mTOR is bad for longevity.  And there’s an argument made that you want to have lower protein and, uh, and, and they point to the Laron dwarfs in Ecuador. Who, um, don’t produce growth hormone. And so they have virtually no cancer and they tend to live longer. So the argument is if you have higher protein, it tends to promote, IGF one and growth hormone, and that’s associated with higher cancer rates.  Or you want to have lower protein. But then the same folks who advocate lower protein say, well, when you hit 60, then you need more [00:07:00] protein so you don’t lose muscle.

Ron: I agree with that, but hey, I’d rather, I’d rather take my shot at getting a, a cancer than being a dwarf.

Dr. Weitz: You know what my argument is? If you don’t wanna lose muscle when you’re 60, the best way to do it is not lose muscle when you’re 50.  So keep your protein up all the way through and maintain your muscle. Just make sure that you’re doing heavy weight training that simulates your body to utilize the protein.

Ron: I agree. And, and I think collagen too, for the bone mass

Dr. Weitz: collagen is very important. It, it provides the matrix for bone, it helps joint support.  So I, I, I totally agree. I am a big believer in eating the right foods, but also taking targeted supplements, which after all are food concentrates that allow us to get more of specific nutrients.

Ron: Yeah. But still the major thing is still the food.

Dr. Weitz: Of course.

Ron: Yeah. Nothing better than you could take.  Supplements are just what they are–Supplements.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah. What I take from some of the vegan arguments is I am totally in support of people who want to eat vegan and want me to help ’em. I’m okay with that, but I think you’re better off having some quality animal proteins as well, including fish, organic chicken, some grass fed beef, um, because I think the, some of the nutrients you get are excellent as well as the quality proteins, but it’s also important.  If you’re going to follow, say, a Mediterranean diet that I advocate for most people, you want to make sure you’re getting lots of phytonutrients, which are contained in different colored vegetables and fruits.

Ron: Absolutely. You should like me, I have a salad. Every meal I eat five times a day. Uh, generally two drinks.  I will drink a pea protein. I’ll have the whey protein. And it’s mainly egg whites. Uh. I’ll eat potatoes a lot, you know, which is good. I try to stay away from the bread. Not much of that, that type of stuff. A lot of water. A lot of people I know that exercise, they don’t even drink no water.  And I’m, I’m just looking at these guys. I’m waiting for the drop dead, you know? I mean, drop, yeah. A lot of liquids. Uh uh. Stay away from the, the, the sugary, sugary drinks and this and that and so on and so forth. Yeah, absolutely. In sarcopenia, we have a, a creatine and, uh, monohydrate with, HMB, which is HMB will, uh, uh, keep you from getting the sar, it’ll keep you from losing your, uh, muscle mass.

The fat

Dr. Weitz: Yeah. Crete no doubt has. Um,

Ron: but with the HMB,

Dr. Weitz: yeah.

Ron: We got 10 grams of creatinine, five grams of HMB in there. Okay. And I take that pretty much once a day.

Dr. Weitz: Creatine is actually beneficial for brain health as well,

Ron: right? Right. I [00:10:00] do. I use that on at least once a day. And, uh, but just as you get older, you know, a lot of people throw in the towel.  And the other thing is, like you said, is that, that that posture and the balance, you know. I, I hang from a, a, a bar every day. You just hang, you know? Yeah. 

Dr. Weitz:  Posture is super important. In fact, if you wanna prevent osteo product fractures, the most common way they happen is when you allow yourself to be slumped forwards.  And then when you, when the vertebrae are, um. Align properly, the weight is distributed, but if you lean forwards all the weights on the front of the vertebrae, and that’s when you tend to get compression fractures of the front of the vertebrae. So it’s important in everyday life that you maintain good posture, and especially when you’re lifting things like weights.

Ron: Well, another thing people gotta understand, I mean, uh, I, I relate it to like a car. Once it hits about 50,000, or that’d be 40 or 50, I mean, [00:11:00] you. You gotta really start taking care of it. And if you haven’t taken care of it, you’re gonna start having problems. But if you can take care of it at earlier, like you said, as you start with a lifestyle, but it, it’s very time consuming.

You know, it’s tough. People, uh, you know, when I was a young man, you know, I mean, probably your both parents didn’t work. Only one, one stayed at home. I mean, and, uh, the, they would have time to take care of those stuff now. Yeah. I mean, it’s pretty hard, but there’s a lot of knowledge out there and there’s a, a lot of people don’t like going to the gym.  I think you can get enough resistance and maybe not idyllic from the bands.

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Dr. Weitz:  You know, I, a lot of times I talk to people about getting exercise and I tell ’em they should be exercising for at least an hour a day, and they look at me like I’m crazy, like a whole hour. And then you think about human beings and the way we evolved and how for hundreds of thousands of years we were active the entire day.  We got up, we foraged for food, we hunted for animals. We were constantly, all day long until the evening. Did we settle down? And now to ask somebody to spend one hour of their whole day doing some physical activity is like a huge burden.

Ron: No. Especially if you don’t like it. If you don’t like it, take an hour of something.  You really don’t want to do it. It’s murderous. It’s, you know, I mean, I think I would get it down to a, a realistic, well

Dr. Weitz: find a way to like it. 

Ron: And do things you like. The thing I think I disagree with you is if you wanna get ’em started, I think about 20 minutes a day is a good start with maybe a little walking in the evening.  I’m going to the bare bones here. Yeah. But an hour is a lot for if you don’t like it, and a lot of people don’t like to even sweat.

Dr. Weitz: Well, if you’re not sweating, you’re not properly detoxing, so you need to sweat.

Ron: Yeah, but I’m just saying you, they, they, they, they, they, you know, they poo poo the hour. I mean, he might be able to build, I wouldn’t start him off an hour.  You’ll scare ’em off, man.

Dr. Weitz: You gotta put your body under some stress.

Ron: I’m not arguing

Dr. Weitz: with you, but

Ron: we’re talking. That’s

Dr. Weitz: how you build resistance in your physical system.

Ron: If that was, 

Dr. Weitz:  That’s what we call hormesis.

Ron: That was a case band. There would be a gym on every corner instead of a seven 11. And it ain’t happening.  You just don’t, people don’t wanna do that. They’re looking for a shortcut that, that, the pics and all that nonsense, you know, that stuff. I, you know, I mean, there’s a few people that maybe have a hormone problems or [00:15:00] they’re, you know, immune systems, they can’t handle it. But, uh. Even 20 minutes a day, I think will agree with

Dr. Weitz: a good solid look.  You’re, you’re right about the, uh, GLP one agonist drugs like Ozempic. They are taking this country by storm and everybody’s starting to take ’em. Uh, unfortunately we’re gonna have millions of people taking ’em, and, uh, there’s gonna be a big dilemma. If health insurance covers it, it’s going to bankrupt the healthcare system.

Ron: Well, they’re not gonna cover it. That’s the latest, but that’s not the point. But they gotta get a starting point and you don’t wanna. It’s like bringing a beginner into the gym and you give ’em a full bore workout and they get sore. They don’t want to come back. I, I think 20 minutes to start with it. If you really, and you get that eating right, I think you’re really going in the right direction versus zero.  Sure. You’re, you’re a little too for the average. Not for me. 

Dr. Weitz:  Something’s, something’s better than nothing. For sure.

Ron: It’ll get ’em, and especially if they start seeing results. [00:16:00] Yeah. Now you stick them in there for an hour and they’re so stiff the next day, they can’t move for a week. I mean, sure. You gotta, you gotta be careful.  But I think the eating is, uh, number one. Of course, you need the exercise. I, I, I, I basically trained, I was up at three-ish in the morning. I put an hour and a half in between, uh, cardio and full stretching and yoga, and I’ll go back and, and then I’ll hit the weights. I’m as strong as I was 20 years ago still.

Yeah.

Dr. Weitz: Well, that’s important.

Ron: Yeah. Keep the muscle on you, and we never talked about other little things like testosterone for men or bioidenticals for women. That’s another subject. Another day.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah. Take, yeah. We’ve had plenty of discussions on the podcast about hormone replacement therapy.

Ron: Take. Take your take care of Superior Source.  Microing a man. Clean can get at almost any health food store online. Amazon, a Walmart. So

Dr. Weitz: why don’t you tell us, uh, your vitamin line is basically all to be, [00:17:00] uh, have a higher level of absorption by being absorbed under the tongue, correct?

Ron: Correct, correct. And we’re clean. All we have is the active ingredients and, uh, a little, uh, kecia gum and lactose.  That’s it. And that’s, this is a full strength. All the binders. All the excipients. A lot of stuff in the tablets are chemicals. They gotta uh uh, they’re making ’em a little cleaner than they used to, but this is probably the cleanest product on the market. Yeah.

Dr. Weitz: And then when you go to the pharmaceutical industry, it’s just crazy.  The stuff they put in there. They use TAL powders, so it’s lights through the machines, all kinds of crap.

Ron: Correct, correct, correct. We don’t do any of that. None of that in here.

Dr. Weitz: Right. So what are your favorite, um, supplements for longevity?

Ron: Uh. I think, well, I’m gonna use the protein powder as part of the supplements.

Dr. Weitz: Okay.

Ron: Without a question. We touched on creatine without a question.

Dr. Weitz: What about some of the [00:18:00] strategies to try to produce autophagy, mitophagy get you to recycle some of your cells people are using. Specific supplements. There’s, people use resveratrol. They use NED precursors, like NMN and NR. We have, uh, ULI a, there’s a bunch of supplements designed to trigger some of the longevity pathways.

Ron: The n and m we manufacture in here.

Dr. Weitz: Okay,

Ron: ROL, we manufacture in here.

Dr. Weitz: Okay.

Ron: Uh. Basically our, our line is a lot of B twelves, a lot of, uh, DS, uh, uh, single vitamins, uh, that type of, uh, folic acid bio. What do

Dr. Weitz: you think about DNMN?

Ron: There’s a, if the government stick their nose, get their nose out of it. I mean, there’s a big fight over this n and m in, uh,

Dr. Weitz: well, I think, isn’t it largely because of, uh, [00:19:00] one doctor who claims the rights to it?

Ron: No, the real fight came is the FDA authorized it as a food supplement, then they reverse course on it.

Dr. Weitz: Right? But isn’t that because that one doctor wants exclusive rights to it because he, they published it as a, as a pharmaceutical. And so if they, if it’s no longer a vitamin and he has the rights to it, I believe that’s how this came about.

Ron: You might be right. But I mean, uh, because there’s

Dr. Weitz: a whole thing about, apparently if a vitamin was originally used in a study as a drug, then they can say you can’t sell it as a, as a supplement. And that’s why Amazon stopped selling NAC. Right.

Ron: They stopped selling nmn too.

Dr. Weitz: Oh, okay. And I think it’s the same reason.

But

Ron: there’s some of the guys, like, uh, ERB will sell the n and [00:20:00] m. There’s other, uh, internet guys, but Amazon, but I

Dr. Weitz: think it’s one doctor who’s pushing that because he wants to have exclusive rights to it. I’m sure you know the guy I’m talking about.

Ron: No.

Dr. Weitz: Okay.

Ron: No, but I mean, the, now they’re fighting it out in the government.  You know that. Who the hell knows what’s gonna happen there with that? But once they get their claws on stuff,

Dr. Weitz: yeah.

Ron: I think it, you know, I think it’s a good product. The reverse tra, I mean, it’s part of a health regime. It’s a supplement. But again, I’m, go back to the food. That’s the game.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah.

Ron: Every day.  Fresh food, I, everything fresh. Just try to, not too much refined carbohydrates. You need carbohydrates.

Dr. Weitz: Right. So we live in Los Angeles and we recently have been through these horrendous fires that have exposed a lot of us to smoke and, and particulate matter and all kinds of toxins. What can we do to help, uh, get rid of some of that stuff from our bodies?

Ron: Um, the best thing is to move [00:21:00] first. Yeah. Uh, that’s a son of a gun. I guess. A lot of water, maybe, uh, the hyperbaric chamber. I don’t know, you know.

Dr. Weitz: Okay. Have you got into any of the detox products? Like, um, like glu, uh, liposomal glutathione or NAC binders? A lot of people use binders.

Ron: I’m familiar with ’em, but we cannot manufacture in here.  So we like to make everything have a complete quality control over everything we do. All the materials that come in here, I don’t care if they come from the moon, they’re gonna get right. Everything inbound’s being tested.

Dr. Weitz: What about the use of things like infrared sauna for detox?

Ron: I’m looking at buying one of those myself.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah, we have one at the house.

Ron: Maybe kinda can talk to you later about that, you know? Yeah. Hyperbaric chambers. What do you think about that?

Dr. Weitz: It’s interesting, you know, it’s, it takes, it’s very time consuming, but Right.

Ron: But I’m looking at the infrared bed. How about the cold plunge?

Dr. Weitz: Yeah, cold plunge is good too.  Absolutely.

Ron: And these, you know, you know,

Dr. Weitz: if you get, if you get a sauna and a cold plunge, you can go back and forth.

Ron: Right. I have that. I mean, these great athletes like the Tom Brady’s have extended their life. LeBron James, the guy who’s 40 years old, he’s playing like a rookie, you know?

Dr. Weitz: Yeah, no, I agree.  It’s pretty amazing what these guys are able to do.

Ron: Yeah. But they’re doing it off season.

Dr. Weitz: Of course.

Ron: Yeah. And that was never made. Yeah.

Dr. Weitz:  Lebron says he spends over a million dollars a year on all this health stuff.

Ron: I don’t know if I believe that, but he’s doing the right things.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah, well, he’s got the money.

Ron: Absolutely. Absolutely. But, uh, yeah,

Dr. Weitz:  No, you gotta give him, give him a lot of credit. Yeah. For playing that well at 40 years of age.

Ron: He’s incredible. He, he’s just incredible. And I think all these guys are catching onto this now. You know? That’s how they make their livelihood. And, uh, if the average American do that, I mean, you know.

That that’s an that.

Dr. Weitz: [00:23:00] Well, the whole key is to extend your health span. It’s one thing to live to be over a hundred. It’s another thing to be healthy to a hundred.

Ron: Uh, it’s a quality of life. Absolutely. I’m gonna be 81 and I think I’m doing pretty good still.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah. You still feel like you’re enjoying your life, you’re being able to be active and,

Ron: yeah.  I can do anything I really want to do. I can do anything I wanna do pretty much at any time in my life, you know? Yeah.

Dr. Weitz: I’m

Ron: pretty much, as I was 30, I do the same stuff. I could still do 15 hins, which is not bad for me.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah, that’s good.

Ron: Yeah. Where I was, you know, young, I could do more. And the injuries too is another thing, you know, that comes with age or, or mis over training or not training properly early.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah. I mean, there’s a certain amount of wear and tear that’s gonna happen to our bodies.

Ron: Yeah. But now if I know what I know now and all those years I put into the gym and overtrained with [00:24:00] all that inflammation, uh, I’d be different. I’d be a lot better off than I am.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah, it’s a fine balance though. You need a little bit of inflammation, not just too much.  Correct. Like for example, if you load up on massive amounts of antioxidants and then you go into the gym, you won’t actually cause the. Minor damage to the, uh, muscles that actually leads to growth. You’ll actually impede your benefit. So you need to have a certain amount of oxidative stress, inflammation and, and that stress causes the body to react and get stronger.

Ron: I would agree with that. Right. But that, that, the problem is at our level, we’re addicted so bad. It is hard to break it off when you had enough. Sure, because a lot of it comes conditioning too. As your conditioning gets better, you can take a more load. You take a more load. Then, then you become overtrained.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah. So one of the things I like to look at is [00:25:00] heart rate variability. And you can see when you have a high rate of heart rate variability that shows that you’re recovering from your workouts. And when that starts to drop, that shows that you’re not recovering as well and you need more rest. So there are some things we can look at to gauge whether we’re over training or not.

Ron: I agree. But you know. Be being in this bodybuilding or whatever I do, it is very addicting and it’s pretty hard. I talk to guys in the gym all the time and they’re six days a week, you know, and they wonder why they’re nothing happening. And I tell ’em, cut back. Cut back a little bit. It is very difficult to cut back.  It’s, it is extremely addicting.

Dr. Weitz: Well, there’s worse things you could be addicted to, Ron.

Ron: I agree. You’re absolutely right, my dear friend. You’re absolutely right.

Dr. Weitz: All right, so, um, any further things we want to talk about?

Ron: Tell ’em where you can get all the products. So, you know, your, uh, probably your sprouts, uh, your, uh.[00:26:00]  Uh, uh, vitamin Cottage, which is a national chain of, uh, vitamin they’re called, or Vitamin Shop. Were in there, uh, almost only any independent health store and online. Of course, that would be how

Dr. Weitz: are, how are the independent health food stores doing? Are they still doing okay? 

Ron:  Or the ones that have a Ben Weitz or a Ron Beckenfeld, somebody come in there that has, knows their business.  People love to get out and meet people, you know? Yeah. We, we, we’ve structured our pricing so the little guy can sell at Amazon’s price and make a, it’s called a map, that they can make a real good profit. We’ve made an extreme effort at that so they can make a very good profit and sell at the same price, or we are on Amazon, so when the people come in and they start shopping ’em.

They, they, you know, they’re right there, but they, and to ask you really, your que that the guys that are are knowledgeable know their business are maybe a, some kind of a small time town celebrity, they’ll do wonderful. It’s [00:27:00] like any business, Hey, the business could be booming everywhere and some people just go outta business no matter what.

Right? Yeah. No matter what, uh, the guys that have survived through this internet and all that are, are doing fine. I think.

Dr. Weitz: You gotta provide personalized services, is what you’re saying.

Ron: Absolutely. That’s the game. A lot of people like to go out, you know, you, uh, in the old days, maybe your mom would go to the, to the, uh, store or the butcher and they’d know the butcher and start to gab and, hi, how you doing?  Right. You know, how you doing Mr. Or why, how you doing? And that, that is offered there. And I still think as people want communication at that level, right. You know, people are people, these machines and everything. You, you, you lose your interactive, I mean, they kind of. I don’t know, what’s the word for you?  Just use your, your humanity with all the computers and all that stuff. Yeah.

Dr. Weitz: Unfortunately that’s gonna be getting worse and worse with people having robots and, you know, people have AI companions and who knows how far this is all gonna go.

Ron: Well that’s why, to answer your question, I think the [00:28:00] guys that run a good business, they’re very personable.  We’ll do fine. And they love being in the store and schmoozing with the customers. Yeah, I, I, we see a, we have a very strong telemarketing in here, and we talk to the people. Even at home, they, I’m just talking to one of our, our staff today, and they talk to people and they, they, they start opening up.

Dr. Weitz: Yeah.

Ron: Yeah.

Dr. Weitz: So how can people find out about getting your products? 

Ron: Well, again, we’re on Amazon, Walmart, uh, almost any, any internet and MO and, and quite a few independent health food stores.

Dr. Weitz: Okay, Ron, thank you so much. Nice talking to you again. 

Ron:  Okay, Ben. 

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