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Managing Autoimmune Diseases with Dr. Taylor Krick: Personalized Functional Medicine Approaches
In this episode of the Rational Wellness Podcast, Dr. Ben Weitz speaks with Dr. Taylor Krick, a chiropractor and host of the Autoimmune Doc Podcast. Dr. Krick specializes in autoimmune and chronic inflammatory diseases, offering a functional medicine approach enriched by his personal experience with Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. They discuss his discovery of the condition through lab work, its impact on his career, and the comprehensive steps he takes to manage autoimmune diseases in his patients. Dr. Krick explores gut health, explains the five R’s of gut therapy, and underscores the role of personalized care plans. They also delve into specific cases, lab testing, and the importance of patient education in achieving long-term health outcomes. The discussion highlights key functional medicine strategies and the latest trends in managing complex health conditions.
Dr. Taylor Krick is a Doctor of Chiropractic and educator, focused on autoimmune and chronic inflammatory disease, and the host of The Autoimmune Doc Podcast. His office and website is Washington Wellness Center.
Dr. Ben Weitz is available for Functional Nutrition consultations specializing in Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders like IBS/SIBO and Reflux and also Cardiometabolic Risk Factors like elevated lipids, high blood sugar, and high blood pressure. Dr. Weitz has also successfully helped many patients with managing their weight and improving their athletic performance, as well as sports chiropractic work by calling his Santa Monica office 310-395-3111.
Dr. Weitz: Hey, this is Dr. Ben Weitz host of the Rational Wellness Podcast. I talk to the leading health and nutrition experts and researchers in the field to bring you the latest in cutting edge health information. Subscribe to the Rational Wellness Podcast for weekly updates and to learn more, check out my website, drweitz.com.
Thanks for joining me, and let’s jump into the podcast.
Today on the Rational Wellness Podcast I am going to be speaking with Dr. Taylor Krick, a clinician and educator focused on autoimmune and chronic inflammatory diseases. He’s the host of the Autoimmune Doc Podcast. Dr. Krick is a chiropractor like myself, and he brings a unique perspective to caring for patients with autoimmune diseases and otherwise combining a functional medicine framework, a
long with his personal experience having managed his own Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. So, Dr. Krick, thank you so much for joining us today.
Dr. Krick: Absolutely. My pleasure. You know, I gotta admit, when I look back at some of your recent episodes, I’m humbled by the company that I’ve in, you know, it’s a lot of the Mount Rushmores of the wellness world that you’ve interviewed.
So I’m honored to be a part of it.
Dr. Weitz: Thank you. Thank you. And I’m always honored to get to interview some of those people like Dr. Bland, who I admired for so many years and continue to admire his amazing intellect even at his age now. So, as I was reading about your bio, I understand that you have an experience with Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, which is an autoimmune condition that affects the thyroid.
And so can you talk about your experience with this and how this led you to become focused in your work on autoimmune diseases?
Dr. Krick: Yeah. Well, you know, the last part that you just said, Dr. Weitz is, excuse me is what I would say is the most important part, is what it led me to, you know, because it led me to learning about functional medicine, learning about autoimmunity, learning about my own condition, but also how it can help everybody else?
And I would honestly say my Hashimoto’s, you know, I say this with all you, you know, luck or whatever, but it’s been well managed. It hasn’t been a big problem in my life. So it was more of an uncovering for me and more of a discovery of, hey, you have this condition. Let’s learn everything there is to know about it, or as much as I can, obviously I’m always still learning, but it led me to learn functional medicine.
Dr. Weitz: So how did you discover that you had Hashimoto’s?
Dr. Krick: Well through lab work. I first discovered it in my dad. I found it in my dad first. He had no signs, no symptoms, perfectly healthy. Now my dad ended up passing away, so that story has a bad ending. But for the Hashimoto’s, it was not affecting him at all, and he didn’t know it at all.
We were just running routine labs. When I first started getting into the chiropractic world, and especially the lab testing world, like many people, my parents were some of my first, you know, patients, and I ran labs on him and said, hey, you’ve got this thyroid condition. He was like, wow. Had no idea.
I feel fine. Hadn’t been to the doctor, hadn’t been sick, any of those things, and then found it in myself too, and found the antibodies and my thyroid levels were perfectly normal, which is really common as you know in the autoimmune Hashimoto’s world. My thyroid levels were great.
Dr. Weitz: So when you say that, tell us about your thyroid.
What was your, did you have an elevated TSH?
Dr. Krick: No. Perfectly normal. You know, in the upper ones maybe or hovering around two. I don’t remember what it was, but just completely unremarkable. You know, you and I know that there’s the lab ranges. Like at LabCorp or Quest or whatever. And then there’s the functional ranges too.
Dr. Weitz: Sure.
Dr. Krick: Which are a tighter, and it was just right in those ranges. And same with my T4, my T3, my, you know, reverse T3. I did a full thyroid panel, you know, initially, and everything checked out well [00:04:00] except for the thyroid antibodies. So just uncovering that again, led me to learn more about autoimmunity, the testing, the different, you know.
Presentations of autoimmune, whether it be for
Dr. Weitz: How high were your anti, how were, or how high are your antibodies?
Dr. Krick: They’re, I still have positive antibodies present, so they’re not, you know,
Dr. Weitz: And are they TPO or TGB or both?
Dr. Krick: I had both. I had both of my dad. Yeah. Which I would call like double Hashimotos, you know, both of those as you know, are diagnostic for Hashimoto’s, but it I did have both of those.
One of those has gone in and out of normal once. But they’ve come down. I haven’t checked them recently. I’m actually,
Dr. Weitz: Well how high was your TPO?
Dr. Krick: Maybe? Oh gosh.
Dr. Weitz: Over a hundred. Over 500.
Dr. Krick: Over a hundred. I would say. Over a hundred. Yeah. It wasn’t astronomical. You know, I’ve seen ’em up in the thousands many times, but
Dr. Weitz: Right.
Dr. Krick: It wasn’t that high. And that’s also. And I don’t remember the numbers, quite frankly, so I don’t track it that often. I track it once a year. So, but with [00:05:00] those numbers, but that’s also where I learned with Hashimoto’s, the antibody levels don’t matter as much with other autoimmune conditions. The antibodies do dictate the amount of attack or, you know, with Graves or with other, you know, autoimmunities.
But with Hashimoto’s, the antibodies are just a flag for the thyroid. But I think the TPO was in the hundreds, mid hundreds, and the TG was. I don’t remember nowhere near as high, but. I don’t remember what the number was. I’m trying to remember now.
Dr. Weitz: But yeah, I think they do matter, but not if they’re a little bit elevated.
In other words, if it’s over a thousand, that’s different than if it’s 150.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. Well, and Dr. Kharrazian has taught that they don’t really matter for that condition. But for others they do. But I’ve seen people with two thousands, three thousands, you know, and they feel completely fine. And I’ve seen other people whose TPOs are in the, you know, thirties or forties, and their life is a wreck.
So I think there’s a lot of other variables. I think that every number matters. I think if it’s higher and it comes down, it’s a good sign. Or if it goes up, it could be a bad sign. So I think that every number matters, but they’re [00:06:00] not always an indication of the inflammatory response that’s happening.
Dr. Weitz: Right.
Dr. Krick: Yeah.
Dr. Weitz: But they are an indication that your body is attacking itself.
Dr. Krick: Exactly. Self tissue antibodies are self tissue antibodies and it’s not a, not necessarily a good thing to have.
Dr. Weitz: And another factor we know, is that if you have one autoimmune condition, you’re more likely to have another.
Dr. Krick: Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So I think that even if somebody’s got, you know, I’ve seen people with, you know, alopecia that, you know, they’ve lost a lot of their hair. And that might not come back. You know, I see a gentleman that’s in his seventies, I don’t think his hair’s coming back, but it’s like you don’t want it to turn into another condition.
You don’t want to turn into another connective tissue disease or lupus or RA or anything else. Because that process is occurring, we know it’s more likely to continue occurring.
Dr. Weitz: And in your case, did you take any steps to try to lower your antibodies?
Dr. Krick: I’ve taken a lot of steps, but I stopped caring about them as much and started caring about my other more functional markers, I would say like inflammatory [00:07:00] markers, liver enzymes you know, gut things.
You know, looking at gut things and looking at more like what are levers I can pull because it’s not again, I think the antibodies matter, but there’s not, like, here’s the supplement for that. I know that people have lowered them with red light and lowered ’em with different, you know, supplement protocols, but there’s no one clear answer.
So I’ve decided to look at other things. That I feel like are levers to pull, especially gut wise. Yeah. And vitamin D and we know Omega check, you know, those are things that I’ll check,
Dr. Weitz: right.
Dr. Krick: To just say, Hey, where are these levels at to help manage the autoimmune progression or manage the inflammatory, you know, burden, I would say.
Dr. Weitz: One of the reasons why looking at the gut is so important is because we know that for inactive T4 to be converted into active T3, the intestines and the liver are two of the places where they’re gonna be converted.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. And I think that, you know, even if again, you start as maybe a generalist.
I think you circle in on gut as just being [00:08:00] so important for everything. Yes. You know, you read about it in the literature. First off, it’s all, all over the literature, whether it’s for Alzheimer’s or it’s for autoimmune. Certainly it’s all over. Then you also just see it clinically and it’s for all those things like you just mentioned, like hormone conversion.
Histamine degradation, which is a really, you know, important piece of my practice too, as far as an action step and a mechanism and explaining to people, you know, what the gut’s role in that is. But it’s so much more than just, you know, your digestion and your, you know, your bowel movements. It’s so much more.
And it’s a lever to pull. I use that term often because we’re just looking for levers to pull, to optimize physiology, and there’s just a lot that can be done with the gut. I see a lot of people that have come to me and it’s either, you know, a lot of times like, well, why has it to anybody worked on your gut?
And I’m a little bit surprised, you know, I’m usually the fourth, fifth. Practitioner, the people have seen like, well, why hasn’t anybody worked on your gut? Or how do you know you’ve cleared this parasite? Or what about, you know, [00:09:00] these things? Has anybody discussed this with you? And a lot of times it just hasn’t been covered yet.
And I’m surprised, you know, people have done hormones or they’ve done, you know, even they’ve done, you know, ozone or blood irradiation or other, just, you know, novel things. I would say. But they’re missing some of the low hanging fruit in the gut. Right. Is what I see.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah. Some you would like, would regard some of those clinical strategies at as advanced strategies.
Really should be. Make sure you have all the basics in place like diet and gut health and making sure you have optimal levels of nutrients and things. Make sure you’re exercising and sleeping and managing your stress before you go to some of these advanced clinical options.
Dr. Krick: Yeah, and I would even say, again, going back to my personal case, I’ve really.
And it, for better or worse, I think it’s for better. But I’ve really zoomed out on a lot of, you know, you can get lost in the details and on the [00:10:00] fine weeds and things like that. And the more people that I see who are really suffering and struggling and sick, they’re usually missing some really big piece, like there’s mold exposure or they haven’t addressed the gut or something, but.
I’ve become more of a generalist for myself, and I think even with my kids and things like that I’ll do some occasional lab testing and occasional supplementation and things like that, but it’s more like, let’s make sure that the foundations are good, whether it’s our diet, our exercise, our just wellbeing, you know, with our kids and screens and things like that.
We’re not a zero screen family, but every once in a while it’s like, okay, we need to pull back on this, or we need to focus on this. Aspect of their health, but it’s about more for me and just the age of my kids too. I’m using that as an example, but it’s just more about getting those foundational things in place and everything else will kind of f
all in line a little bit better, I think.
Dr. Weitz: Right. So let’s talk about how you manage a patient with autoimmune disease. Let’s say a patient comes into you, why don’t you give us an example of a patient that you’ve seen recently with some [00:11:00] autoimmune disease, and then how did you talk to ’em? What things did you focus on in their history?
What kind of testing did you do?
Dr. Krick: That’s a great question. You know, first off, I’m going to answer it, but the hard, the reason it’s hard to answer is because everybody’s personalized. In my office, everybody’s customized. I don’t have like a program that everybody goes through. Sure. Per se. So some people come to me, I always joke with binders full of labs.
Duffel bags full of supplements. And then you kinda start with thinking a little bit like uhoh. Like what? What hasn’t worked? What all has this person tried and why hasn’t it worked? So approaching that person might be different than somebody who’s, let’s say, a standard American with, let’s say, so like two people that I saw yesterday, for example, one is a 27-year-old with thyroid autoimmunity who had been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, had been put on a med, and it was really,
quite frankly, jacking her hormones up and her endocrinologist told her this, and they got her off her meds. This is before she [00:12:00] met me. So all this is part of her history. She’s still 27 years old, but she’d had a lot of labs, she’d had a lot of testing, she’d had a lot of things. Versus another person that came to me yesterday who’s, let’s say maybe 68 years old or so, who has diverticulitis, who’s never done a thing.
So for that person, we’re starting from stage zero as far as education and understanding of some of,
Dr. Weitz: okay, why don’t we start with that patient, the patient with diverticulitis.
Dr. Krick: Okay. Yeah. So for,
Dr. Weitz: First of all, explain what diverticulitis is.
Dr. Krick: Okay. Diverticulitis is any itis. Is inflammatory. Right? Right. And diverticulitis is inflammation of the diverticuli in the gut, which is like the little folds and pockets.
You know, it’s almost hard to explain and understand the concept of the gut and the folds, because if you unfold the whole gut. I’ve heard it said it covers two tennis courts.
Dr. Weitz: Right.
Dr. Krick: I’ve heard that. That might be updated to one tennis court or one and a half tennis court, but whatever.
Dr. Weitz: It’s something like that.
It’s a lot.
Dr. Krick: It’s massive, right? I don’t really care, but it’s, the surface area is unbelievable and those little diverticula, those little folds can become inflamed and little things can get stuck in there like little, you know, like diverticulitis sort of recommend and not to eat nuts and seeds and things like that, that can get kind of stuck in there because they can i
nflame the gut. And so it’s a gut inflammatory condition. It’s not the same as Crohn’s or ulcerative colitis, but it’s a gut inflammatory condition. So for this person we did some gut testing, you know, and she had already had diverticulitis. I forget all the history pieces, but that includes colonoscopies, that includes some, you know, treatment, probably with some steroids or things like that, you know, but she was wanting to avoid her next flare.
She’s been dealing with it for seven years. And I’ve helped her daughter with some mold related issues. I helped her son-in-law with some issues. He was the first one I met, but it came through kind of a referral tree, as is often the case. But, so we did some gut testing and so we did a stool test. We did, or organic acid testing.
Dr. Weitz: Okay. Which, which stool test did you do?
Dr. Krick: I did a GI map.
Dr. Weitz: Okay.
Dr. Krick: I [00:14:00] do a GI map, you know, and not for any particular reason. You know, I’ve seen ’em all. In fact, the other person whose case we might be going through. She came to me with some GI effects testing from Genova. And so you know, I always say that Ford says they’re better than Chevy says they’re better than Toyota and they’re all about the same.
Now obviously each one has their selling points and each one will say they’re better than the other, but every practitioner has their preference. But
Dr. Weitz: sure,
Dr. Krick: that’s just the one that I’ve come to enjoy. But then we did an organic acids test from Mosaic. Okay. I’m a big fan of organic acids testing. It’s not e
verybody’s favorite. And same thing with, you know, hair tissue mineral analysis, different tests that some people like don’t like. But I like organic acid testing quite a bit, and we can talk about that if you want, but, and then we did a food sensitivity test.
Dr. Weitz: Okay.
Dr. Krick: That also had a gut barrier panel on it.
That was from KBMO. I do Cyrex testing as well quite often, but the KBMO is a finger prick, so that was maybe one of the reasons why we did that. I also, too, while we’re talking about these cases, I see about half [00:15:00] of my clientele are in person. And they drive in from different places in central Illinois.
And then about half are nationwide, worldwide, international. So one of these people that I’m talking about was in Colorado. One of these people was local. So, and that sometimes it doesn’t dictate my care, but sometimes it dictates the logistics of getting somebody a supplement or if they’re in, you know, Canada or Australia or things like that.
Just custom sometimes matters. Sometimes it’s harder to get things to Canada than it is to like Dubai.
Dr. Weitz: But well basically anything outta the United States pretty much takes full script out of the picture.
Dr. Krick: Yeah, exactly. And I and we also, you know, again, for international clients, we’ve got different vendors like that, but we house all our own supplements in house.
So we’ve got a supplement store that people can walk into and shop at. Or we send all our, you know, functional things and protocols and things out to people, but it’s a whole nother thing to just keep track of too. But, so we did this test and you know, you asked me about my labs. I’m really good at remembering people’s labs, but [00:16:00] I don’t remember exactly what she had.
I’m gonna actually pull it up in front of me, but we put it on a gut protocol and that’s obviously an oversimplification, but I put almost everybody with gut things. On some degree of gut protocol, and what I mean by that, Dr. Ben is the like a five R type of protocol. So the five R’s, if somebody out, there’s not familiar with it.
Every gut is treated through this five R protocol, but everybody’s R’S are different,
Dr. Weitz: Which was originally started by Dr. Jeffrey Bland
Dr. Krick: And originally the four Rs, then it became the five, but, and there’s also a five R’s of cellular healing, which I enjoy, but not as many people know about that. The five R’s a pretty universal functional medicine framework that people use.
Yeah, but it’s R number one is remove. Remove anything that’s not supposed to be to remove any bad bugs. Remove any parasites, Remove any h pylori. This woman had h pylori. She also had quite a bit of bacterial overgrowth. I’m looking at her labs now to remind myself because I blend together and she had a lot of, iGA reactivity, which is an [00:17:00] immune reactivity, and there’s different, you know, ways to measure the immune system, which is super relevant to our conversation about autoimmunity. You know, there’s the IgG antibodies, which tend to be more blood IgM as well. And then IgA, which is often done through saliva or through the stool.
Which is our mucosal immune system. We’ve got a, a separate and segregated immune system.
Dr. Weitz: So these IGA antibodies, this was part of this KBMO panel?
Dr. Krick: It was part of the GI map.
Dr. Weitz: The GI map,
Dr. Krick: okay. And it’s part of the KBMO panel too.
Dr. Weitz: So on the GI map you basically get the gluten marker right.
Dr. Krick: And the elevated, just straight up the elevated ig.
Exactly, yeah. That’s what she had. Okay. And then in her KBMO. All her IgAs were normal. They and I kbm O. There’s four IgAs, two candida and IgGs, but to candida, occludin, zonulin, so leaky gut markers, tight junction markers and LPS. [00:18:00] So for her IgAs were normal on that one, but her LPS antibody was elevated on IgG.
And I explain this in a lot of detail and show people what this means and stuff, but basically I say LPS is very inflammatory, and it’s a sign of dysbiosis, but it’s very inflammatory. It just drives inflammation.
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Dr. Weitz: For those who are listening who might not be following LPS is lipopolysaccharides.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Weitz: And these are endotoxins. Yep. That are secreted by bacteria [00:20:00] especially. If you’re involved in a program where you’re trying to eradicate the excess bacteria or the bacteria that aren’t supposed to be there, and as those bacteria die, they leach out these endotoxins like LPS that causes inflammation in the system.
Dr. Krick: Yep. Or if you’re not doing a program, then sometimes it’s just there and it’s just inflammatory. And
Dr. Weitz: Yes.
Dr. Krick: And, but LPS, you know, I won’t say the word, but Dr. Steven Gundry always says. I don’t curse, but I call these little pieces of, you know what, because LPS is just inflammatory and
Dr. Weitz: right,
Dr. Krick: they use LPS in, you know, mouse models and things to study inflammation everywhere.
If they want to study inflammation of the brain, they inject LPs into the brain. If they want to study inflammation of the joints, they inject it into the joints. It’s just highly inflammatory. So that’s what we were,
Dr. Weitz: Dr. Tom O’Brien gives this awesome presentation about how LPS is like a major factor in almost every chronic disease.
Dr. Krick: Well, and again, going back. To, you know, my evolution as a [00:21:00] practitioner, you start learning, okay, I got this Hashimoto’s, you start reading Tom O’Brien books, you start reading the, you know, I did, you know, hundreds of hours of research on the Cyrex website. You know, just the Cyrex white papers and Dr. Vojdani
and reading, you know, everything that he’s ever put out. So I, sometimes I’d measure Cyrex antibodies to LPS too, but you just learn about this. But the takeaway of LPS, even if you’ve studied it. You know, unlimited amount. The takeaway is that it’s inflammatory and it comes from dysbiosis and those are generalizations, but they’re true too.
And it can also come from water damage buildings, which is interesting. But she had this reactivity to LPS. She also had these bacterial overgrowth in her gut. She had some histamine, you know, sensitivities as far as some of her foods. And so I put her on this five R protocol. And you know, again, as a generalization.
I always say sometimes we need to pull weeds and sometimes we, we need to.
Dr. Weitz: So what did you do for the remove phase?
Dr. Krick: We did remove, that’s remove, that’s pulling [00:22:00] weeds. We did Biocidin and Olivirex.
Dr. Weitz: Okay.
Dr. Krick: And I think that’s it. I use a lot of Biocidin vir, some of my favorites. We’ll use other, you know, herbal nutrient antimicrobials.
Dr. Weitz: Oregano oil.
Dr. Krick: Yeah.
Dr. Weitz: Of like that mean.
Dr. Krick: Yes. A lot of the things that I use too, Dr. Ben, are blends. So I use all those things, but a lot of those are in some of the most famous, you know, blends for antimicrobial. So Biocidin being one of the more famous antimicrobials, handrin is out there. You know, there’s others I don’t in different brands.
For antimicrobials, I’ll use HPLR sometimes for Apex, ’cause she also had h Pylori. And she also had some yeast levels too on her oat test. Now, that’s one of the reasons why I like doing all three of those tests for a gut because sometimes what shows up on the oat for yeast and fungal things isn’t what shows up on the map, and sometimes it’s vice versa.
And then sometimes both of those might be clean and somebody has the antibodies, [00:23:00] which is. You. You know, it doesn’t always necessarily indicate that it’s present, but that it has been at some point.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah, it’s interesting. I think there a, if I was to pull functional medicine practitioners, I would say there’s pretty much a consensus that stool testing is not the most accurate for candida and fungal overgrowth.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. So what would you say if I asked you that same question about parasites?
Dr. Weitz: Well, it, it ranges. I mean, we have, there, there’s a whole bunch of practitioners who say everybody has parasites.
Dr. Krick: Exactly.
Dr. Weitz: We don’t even need to test, which for me is going too far.
Dr. Krick: I completely agree. Well, it’s not to say that we don’t.
But it’s like everybody has viruses. We got 400 trillion viruses in our body. That doesn’t mean we necessarily need to go kill ’em. All
Dr. Weitz: right. Exactly. Actually, something that hasn’t been accurately tracked yet is the microviome, which one day we’ll know about. And like the GI map mentioned certain viruses, but [00:24:00] there’s p
robably a series of viruses that are a normal, healthy part of our gut that we’ll call the microviome that hasn’t really been fully elucidated yet.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. And that’s fascinating just to note. And I would say out of, you know. Thousands of GI maps I’ve done. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen the virus show up on there.
You know, I’ve seen probably everything else and I don’t wanna say never because it’s, but it’s very rare, you know? But I’ve just heard the same thing with parasites, that sometimes they show up, sometimes they don’t show up. My opinion is similar to yours, I think, is if they show up, we’re shooting at.
Dr. Weitz: Right.
Dr. Krick: But if they don’t show up, let’s shoot it. The things we can see because
Dr. Weitz: I, I agree with that. Yeah.
Dr. Krick: Very rare that a test is perfect. And even some of the antimicrobials in Biocidin are good for h pylori. They’re good for candida, they’re good for kleb, they’re good for different parasites. It just might matter of how we eradicated it yet or not, or how do we know?
Sometimes you get a false po false negative test, I should say. But. Yeah, [00:25:00]
Dr. Weitz: that’s one of the great things about using herbs to eradicate some of these critters is that they have broader spectrum than say, antibiotics or antifungals.
Dr. Krick: Exactly. They might not be, you know, sometimes, yeah, I completely agree.
They might not work as quick. Sometimes you gotta be a little more low and slow than like your seven day round of antibiotics, but Right. The more broad spectrum and
Dr. Weitz: less likely to damage the microbiome.
Dr. Krick: Exactly. Or have other, you know, unintended side effects. Exactly. So that five Rs remove is where we use Biocidin Avirex and Right.
Dr. Weitz: Sometimes
Dr. Krick: it’s about, you know, the tools that we use. Sometimes it’s also about teach, in my opinion, teaching people how to use them. You know, so how to stair step up with their killers, how to do divided doses and things like that. But that’s what I use for that. R one. R number two is replace. Replace anything like stomach acid, replace anything like digestive enzymes.
And you know, again, you can measure that to determine how big of a need that [00:26:00] is. Right. Individual person. So
Dr. Weitz: you use the GI map partially for that to see if the pancreatic enzymes are low. If,
Dr. Krick: exactly. And what I do personally is a lot of times I might not tar unless they’re really low. I might not do that right away.
I don’t wanna say like, we wanna save an ASCE up our sleeve, but I might save that and a month later. Somebody, because I’ll usually follow up with people monthly and if they’re having, you know, they’re not making progress or hitting a plateau, they’re having food re activities, we might add a digestive enzyme or we might have ’em start doing like an IFM, I’ll share the IFM at home stomach acid testing with them.
Okay. And have them test their stomach acid and start with one and two and three and see if how they tolerate stomach rather. Right. To see if we need to bring that on. But I’ll use that GI map to see if, you know, if that’s on the radar or if it’s not. Then R number three, the re inoculate probiotics.
It’s probably the most easy or obvious one. We use probiotics, we use prebiotics, we use postbiotics and then [00:27:00] R number four repair to the gut lining, you know, leaky gut, things of that nature. You know, there’s a lot of things that could fit into each of these sections. You know, a lot of things that could be used in the pro probiotics or re inoculate phase with regards to, again, the postbiotics prebiotics, butyrate, fiber.
A lot of things that could go into repair. You know, even vitamin D could be classified as a repair thing. Glutamine is almost always
Dr. Weitz: zinc.
Dr. Krick: A repair protocol. Zinc. Yeah. Even, you know, I got one sitting right here, DGL that would just kind of sit on my desk, but more for soothing the gut lining, you know, if somebody’s got an ulcer or any gastritis symptoms, which I see quite often.
And
Dr. Weitz: do you do the replace and re inoculate and repair at the same time, or you make them separate phases?
Dr. Krick: Kind of depends. Kind of depends on the labs. Kind of depends on the person too. If it’s somebody that I think is not gonna be overwhelmed by being on 10 things at once, you know, overwhelmed from a compliance standpoint or overwhelmed from a budget [00:28:00] standpoint.
You, you know, sure. Then I’ll do ’em both at the same time. Or if the labs are really bad, like a lot of weeds to pull and a lot of seeds to plant, then it’s pretty easy to, I don’t wanna say persuade, but it’s pretty, pretty easy to show somebody, Hey, these are really high. We need to pull these weeds.
These are really low. We need to plant these seeds. But it kind of depends on, on, you know, the person. Great question. Great question.
Dr. Weitz: And do you find that sometimes the remove phase ends up being a lot longer than you were planning it to be?
Dr. Krick: Yeah. Yeah. And I’ll say that’s another, you know, I’ll answer that with another I don’t know, version of the answer.
But in my office I don’t always retest. I would say I base it on how the person’s doing and how they’re feeling, because I see a lot of people that three months down the road, they’re like, I feel great. I don’t wanna spend 400 bucks again, I feel great, thanks for helping me. And I say, okay, but hey, if we retest, a lot of times we’ll find that the stuff isn’t completely gone.
You know, people feel better because we’ve reduced it a lot, reduced their [00:29:00] pathogen burden, reduce their fungal burden, whatever we wanna say. But it’s not like it’s perfect. So a lot of times a retest and kind of another, you know, phase of like raising some lows, lowering some highs is often a really good idea.
But yes, I do think that.
Dr. Weitz: Do you do SIBO breath testing as well?
Dr. Krick: I don’t. I don’t. I’ve never been a big fan of it, you know, and just, that’s my personal opinion. But I just saw somebody that kind of opened my eyes that she was, she failed to a breath test many times, but her GI map was low bacteria, you know, there was no real overgrowth on there.
So I think you can have dysbiosis in all these different areas. What I found, like when those tests became popular and I was working with a lot of SIBO stuff, you could kind of tell by talking to the person. Do you have a sibo? Tell me about the foods that you bloat from. Oh, I can’t eat broccoli. I can’t eat a lot of these FODMAPs.
I can’t eat a lot of these fibers. I’m trying to eat a really healthy kind of, you know, plant heavy diet and it just bloats the smush outta me. And they might get, you know, bowel [00:30:00] changes or whatever. But to me that was like, okay, you probably have SIBO and I’m never diagnosing what they have anyway.
Like you are probably on this spectrum. Let’s avoid these foods. Let’s treat your gut with a five R protocol and yeah. What’s your take on that?
Dr. Weitz: I like to see both breath testing. Yeah. We use the Trio Smart a lot and you know, I’m pretty sold on it. I’ve had a number of conversations with Dr.
Pimentel and he’s been on the podcast. I’ve seen. Yeah, I saw that. You know, I organized this meeting of functional medicine practitioners and we’ve had Dr. Pimentel come and speak a number of times as well. And so. I like to do the SIBO breath testing as well as the GI map on the GI map. Do you also add zonulin and have you experimented with adding the bile salts and the short chain fatty acids?
Dr. Krick: I have not short answer. I have not. I’ve seen a lot of those on a lot of other, you know, people’s assays and things, you know, on the [00:31:00] Genova test or otherwise, but I have not, my understanding with the zonulin is. That it’s a variable marker throughout the day. And that’s what
Dr. Weitz: doc it, it depends who you talk to.
I know. I mean, you know, if you talk to Dr. Barsi, he’s gonna exactly tell you that I know Dr. Barsi very well too.
Dr. Krick: Exactly,
Dr. Weitz: but, and but I, you know, he’ll say, you gotta look at the antibodies. And people say, you gotta look at the, you know, what’s in the bloodstream. Other people say, well, the relevance is what’s happening in the gut, so why not look at it in the gut?
Dr. Krick: I tend to, you know. I’m not super encamped in any you know, camp. Let’s say, you know, super entrenched, let’s say I’m not in any camp. You know, same thing happens in the mold world. It’s really prevalent in the mold world. You know, Dr. Campbell says, you gotta look at the antibodies. That’s the only way the urine testing is completely worthless, but there’s hundreds if not thousands of practitioners that use these tests with success.
I’m more [00:32:00] about like, what helps the patient get well, right? And so I tend to, and I would just say. I tend to suspend disbelief.
Dr. Weitz: Right.
Dr. Krick: You know, I also don’t muscle test, but people do. Yeah. People like it, and if it works for the person. Right. Great. I’ve got a buddy here in town who’s a chiropractor who’s done it for 30 years, and sometimes people that we see together, I’m like, Hey, if you want to take your subs to him and he wants to help you choose between this probiotic and that probiotic, great.
As long as he doesn’t say, you don’t need probiotics, then we’re on the same, we’re on the same page. But I don’t know. I’m always open to be persuaded otherwise, but I don’t do, you know, same thing with hair, tissue mineral testing. Some people swear by that. It’s not something that I’ve ever learned from many of my mentors, but I’m not opposed to it.
And if somebody brings me a stack of labs, I’m not like, oh, this one’s worthless. I’m just, they’re all puzzle pieces. You know, and I like seeing puzzle pieces, but I do [00:33:00] weigh budget and I do weigh things like that when I’m making my decisions of what’s gonna help the person. Yeah, I might experiment with some of those.
Dr. Weitz: Absolutely.
Dr. Krick: What about you? I, do you find those useful on the map? Like the bile acids? ’cause I’m super intrigued by that one. Specifically,
Dr. Weitz: we have started to run it more often and it’s interesting. We have patients who have issues that, you know, overlap with their gut problems. Found out one patient had this bile acid issue with her liver that she didn’t know about.
And it’s, you know, I like looking at the short chain fatty acids as well. ’cause that’s an important marker. Still not sure always what to do with the results and so we don’t do it all the time. But I am starting to run that add-on as well. I always do the zonulin. I really like having the zonulin as a general marker of the health of the gut and, you know, yeah, I find it to be pretty.
[00:34:00] Repeatable. I don’t find it all over the place.
Dr. Krick: Okay. Yeah. I recently had a guy who did a split sample. It wasn’t split actually, but it was like one on a Monday and one on a Tuesday, which I would just love seeing because
Dr. Weitz: Right.
Dr. Krick: You see the repeatability. They weren’t identical. They were really, you know, close and had the same major players.
But I am super intrigued by all those things because, you know, I talk about sluggish gallbladder and bile acids and you know, do we need bitters or tudca or other things like that? Right. But it’s so it’s, and it’s interesting too with labs, because sometimes we’re looking for, well, what do we need to do clinically?
Dr. Weitz: Right.
Dr. Krick: But sometimes labs are also just to educate the person of what’s going on. Yeah. And we don’t wanna waste their money, but it’s like the more markers that can give evidence to say, Hey, this is what’s going on. See this marker. It’s out arranged. This is what it means in the interpretive guide. This is what you got going on.
That helps them conceptually understand what they need to do to get it under [00:35:00] control. So it’s interesting when all those different factors play a role. ’cause it’s not like in the medical system where we’re just trying to give a diagnosis. Yeah. We’re not we’re trying to educate, we’re trying to, you know, give action steps and things like that.
But yeah, I’m intrigued by those. I do use the
Dr. Weitz: the guy to talk to is Tom Fabian of DSL Labs.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. He’s
Dr. Weitz: the guy
Dr. Krick: saw his a name on your lineup recently, I think.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah. He’s really good at helping you with the science to understand some of those things like that.
Dr. Krick: Yeah, well that’s actually even I’m gonna keep that in mind because I’m looking, like I’ve mentioned, I think it was off air that on my podcast I’m gonna do more interviews and that’s a good example.
I’ll have to reach out. ’cause we do a ton of GI maps, you know, and so,
Dr. Weitz: yeah.
Dr. Krick: I’m always intrigued to learn about the testing and the science.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah. Cool.
Dr. Krick: Yeah.
Dr. Weitz: So, and how is that patient doing? Or this is
Dr. Krick: somebody started. Okay. Back to those. Yeah, back to those two people, I
Dr. Weitz: guess. Yeah. And then let’s go over the second case.
Yeah. Wrap after that.
Dr. Krick: She’s doing excellent. Long story short, she’s feeling really [00:36:00] happy. She’s feeling really good in more ways than one, you know, not just got, but in more ways than one. As far as you know, it, mentally and energetically and things like that. And it was kind of the gist of our appointment.
You know, I had two of these yesterday, which is, was always like really great. The gist of our appointment was like, I’m really happy with how I’m doing and I don’t have any problems that I wanna solve right now.
Dr. Weitz: Except the ai I looked at said that you’re, everything you said is wrong.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. I’m
Dr. Weitz: just
Dr. Krick: kidding.
They don’t go to that, but yeah. But she was just really happy with no problems with social. No,
Dr. Weitz: actually, sometimes it’s funny, they go to AI and the AI like says everything that you told them to, so they feel
Dr. Krick: Yeah.
Dr. Weitz: Confirmed by it.
Dr. Krick: It’s before that. Or if I give people the right search terms.
You know, if you give people the right search terms, I think they’re gonna find that what I’m doing makes sense because. I think it makes sense and it’s just, you know, each practitioner has their own little nuances and their own tools and their own brands. Just like every carpenter, you know, one [00:37:00] might use Milwaukee tools and one uses DeWalt tools.
They can both build you a good deck. You know, we got our different tools that we use, but it tends to work. And the more you look at the literature, the more you take a lot of seminars, the more you learn from different gurus as you’ve had. You know, even on your episode, it really comes back to this like.
Overall, you know, generalist theme of like, fix the dysbiosis, fix the guy, get the vitamins and nutrients, decrease the toxin load, decrease the pathogen load, and things tend to work out. Now again, very general, but that person was just really happy with her care. Now I’ll tell you, you know, there’s some interesting stories with the people that she was even referred by.
Her daughter was one that I mentioned who’d had a mold experience and her son-in-law who’d had a mold experience too. But, I dunno. I digress with both of those two. But she’s doing really well and just happy with her guy. And I said, our biggest goal, I said, you’re out of your flare. Your diverticulitis flare.
You’re not flaring currently our biggest goal is knowing that if you feel like that inflammation starts [00:38:00] coming on even a little bit, it’s important that we know how to squash that out. And I told her a story too, Dr. Ben, that, you know, I tell a lot of stories, do a lot of drawings, and again, for the educational piece that’s so central to my.
My clinic. But I told her a story about this girl that I saw with Crohn’s Disease who was also doing great. She came in and she said I’m doing really great. My mom just thought I should check in with you to let you know how I’m doing. And so we’re just kind of checking in and, but no real problems to solve.
But this girl said she said, I don’t have turmeric and resveratrol when she feels inflamed. And she said, when my gut feels inflamed, I just take these two and it goes away. I was like, good. That’s how you extinguish that fire. But she said, but how long do they last? Because they’ve been in my fridge for a long time.
I said, that’s good too. That’s a sign that you don’t need ’em all the time. You’re not having to extinguish the fire. So I told this woman from yesterday. Now if the fire creeps back up, we wanna squash it out so it doesn’t turn into a flare. So you don’t have to go in and get a [00:39:00] scope or a steroid or something like that.
We can prevent these flares and we can catch them coming on the other person. Whose case I was telling about is a young girl, very knowledgeable. You know, a lot of these people today they’ve heard podcasts like yours, podcasts like mine. They’re super knowledgeable, sometimes to a fault of like, they know too much, but that’s a good thing.
I mean that in, in a loose way, but sometimes they know too much. But she. Thyroid is one of her issues. So yesterday we were review, we just did a short lab review reviewing her thyroid markers ’cause her thyroid is all over the place before I met her and they got, even her endo was like, you need to get off this med.
And I see that a lot where, you know, even somebody’s seeing, let’s say a natural, more naturally minded practitioner, but they’re like trying to tweak the T four, trying to tweak the T three, trying to tweak the different thyroid hormone levels and they’re just all over the place and the person feels like crap.
She was losing hair, she had a lot of anxiety. And things of that nature when I met her. And so [00:40:00] the overall theme of yesterday was that her thyroid numbers are normalizing. They’re not great for 27 years old. They’re not great, but she said, this is the first two labs I’ve had in a row where they’re pretty close to the same and they’re trending in the right direction.
So the takeaway from yesterday was like, let’s look at ’em again in January and make sure these trends continue. But so far we’re on a good trend now. She also, this person has a goal of a future family. So we’re talking about, and I know her husband, I see her husband as well, but she, that we’re talking about her cycle and all these different things, and I can go into more detail.
I don’t wanna ramble, but that’s what we’re always talking about, I’d say is all the puzzle pieces. You know, I always tell people if I’m doing a puzzle with my kids. We dump all the pieces out and flip ’em over, face up. So we’re talking about how’s your stress, how’s your anxiety? How’s your cycle? How’s your gut?
And she said, we’ve been working on our gut for a good [00:41:00] long while. Let’s say she did some parasite cleanses, she had some blastocystis, different things. But I kinda said, even as the call began, I said I’m guessing today. We’re pausing on your gut and not doing that because we’ve been doing that for the last several months.
And she agreed and she said, my gut is just doing really great. My bowel movements, my foods, my digestive symptoms, you know, bloating and other things are just doing really well. But the bulk of our visit yesterday was on her new thyroid labs. So I, I don’t wanna keep rambling, but that’s just No.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah, go ahead. What about her new thyroid labs?
Dr. Krick: What did you
Dr. Weitz: say?
Dr. Krick: Two of the people? Yeah. So her T three, so she’s got, she got real interesting thyroid labs too. But she has low rever. I don’t know. These are all real interesting. Again, you’ll know this, but she had low reverse T three. She has really low thyroid binding globulins, and she has really low thyroid hormone levels.
But she’s 27. She’s young. She’s thin. So [00:42:00] metabolically,
Dr. Weitz: so the free T three and the free T four, is that what you’re
Dr. Krick: referring to? The free. The free are. Okay.
Dr. Weitz: Okay.
Dr. Krick: The free are. Okay. Which is the active form in the available form, you know.
Dr. Weitz: Okay. So,
Dr. Krick: so those are okay, like 2.9, I wanna say free T three, which is pretty unremarkable, wouldn’t really catch my eye.
But her T three had been like, I think at one point it might’ve been in the forties. It was in the sixties, now it’s up to 79, which is still low, but it’s trending in the right direction. And so my theory, and you can tell me what you think about this, but the binding globulins are all really low because they want free, you want free hormone, you want free available hormone.
Correct. So the binding globulins are all low. So a lot of those, you know, packages aren’t on the Amazon truck they’re actually delivered, so you can use them. But the, there’s not a lot of actual hormone, there’s not a lot of hormone productions, and that’s what we’ve been working on for the last, you know, four or six weeks was doing some thyroid glandular type things [00:43:00] and doing some co-factors for thyroid hormone production to see if we can’t support the natural.
Thyroid hormone production
Dr. Weitz: things. Things like Iron, Selenium.
Dr. Krick: Exactly.
Dr. Weitz: Vitamin D
Dr. Krick: and ol Yes. Yeah, she’s on three products from Apex, all three of, I don’t only use Apex, but it’s one of my brands. But one’s called Thyroid Flam, which is a anti-inflammatories for the thyroid. So it has like an nool Google selenium.
It is more for thyroid inflammation. She gets this inflammation here. She calls it a frog in her throat,
Dr. Weitz: ah,
Dr. Krick: frog in her throat. When she gets anxious, she gets this swelling and inflammation around her thyroid area. So she’s on that one. She’s on a thyroid glandular that has also some pituitary, glandular and maybe, I don’t think it has adrenal glandular, just pituitary.
Maybe a couple other co-factor things. And then she’s on a. Antioxidant cream. I use my fingers, like if you’re listening on the audio, you can’t see it, but it’s a cream. It’s a [00:44:00] lotion, so you can rub it directly over the thyroid. It’s an antioxidant cream glutathione, and superoxide dismutase, but you can rub it directly on the thyroid for that kind of thyroid puffiness.
So we’re looking to see the signs and symptoms. Thyroid inflammation coming down. We’re looking to see that. She feels that less often, less frog in the throat less thyroid,
Dr. Weitz: you know, there’s some good data showing that using red light therapy directly over the thyroid
Dr. Krick: Exactly.
Dr. Weitz: Actually is beneficial.
Dr. Krick: And the antibodies too. I mean, many people have seen their antibodies go into remission. I’ve tried that. I didn’t notice any change. I didn’t, maybe, you know, there’s not, there’s a lot of different red lights, a lot of different laser, there’s a lot of different durations and things. But I’ve tried that many times.
Same thing with. I don’t know that there’s data on this one, but cast oil is another interesting thing that even like Queen of Thrones makes a thyroid, you know, it’s almost like a little mini sleep mask and my opinion it would not be pleasant to sleep with something around your neck. But I haven’t tried that one.
I’ve done the cast oil packs and some of those things, you know, people use it on their eyes [00:45:00] too but yeah, I agree with the red light and I think that’s something that her and I have discussed, you know, ’cause one of the things I’ll do. Just discuss with people, let’s say, and I’ll tell people sometimes I’m gonna throw down 10 things and see which three you pick up.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah.
Dr. Krick: And you might not pick up the first three, or you might pick if the three you pick up aren’t working, I might say, Hey, why don’t you try these three? But that’s what we would do. And so she’s also doing, you know, we started doing, she did some vagus nerve stimulation, so she’s really liked that her anxiety and her stress response.
Or probably the biggest thing that we’ve nudged the needle on. Now, did you
Dr. Weitz: use a device or what did you use?
Dr. Krick: We use a 10 device.
Dr. Weitz: Okay.
Dr. Krick: TENS device. Yep. And I’ll sometimes have people do gargling, gagging, you know, other you know, device free things. But we use a TENS device on the ear. I have almost everybody, you know, start doing that or pitch it to them.
But her stress response was something that calmed down or gut is something that’s improved. Her thyroid levels are starting to trend a lot better. And I think our next topic is gonna be [00:46:00] hormones and hormone balance. Just for her, you know, goals of future family. I see a lot of people that you know, are just of that childbearing age, let’s say.
They come to me, not for fertility, is their reason. I’m not that specialist, but a lot of times it happens for people as we get their gut in check, we get their detox pathways opened up, you know, whatever we wanna say, we get their nutrients, you know, balanced. And then it just kinda happens if that’s, you know, the goal for somebody and what they’re trying for,
Dr. Weitz: right.
I love that vibrant micronutrient test. That’s a really good test for assessing nutrient status.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. Yeah. And I’ve come to use more vibrant, you know, testing, I would say. I’m, you know, I’m excited to pick your brain about your tools that you use for these things, because even, you know, with your story, with your bone and your non-union and stuff, I’m sure those micronutrients are n
ecessary for bone health.
Dr. Weitz: Absolutely, a hundred percent.
Dr. Krick: And I also [00:47:00] too, they’re necessary, they’re important. All those things we can say, but you can’t absorb ’em without a good gut. So absolutely it’s not to say that the gut is everything, but the gut is so foundational. But yeah, those are a couple of the cases that I saw yesterday and you know, also saw like an IGA nephropathy, which is a pretty rare.
You know, more rare than Hashimoto’s, let’s say. But just some interesting things too. I see a lot of mold, which I’ve mentioned, and I know you’ve had, you know, different experts on the podcast about air quality and other things, but it’s, I don’t know if you agree, but it’s wild to live in the world that we live in.
Yeah. And to hear the stories and it’s like. It’s wild, but yeah.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah. Well, definitely mold and mast cells seems to be the topic of the day. It seems like everybody’s talking about it now.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. Yeah. And I would say that they, those things blew, you know, especially the mast cells really blew up in, in the COVID era.
But I feel [00:48:00] like the people were similar before, you know, we just, there’s a new understanding of mast cells, but there’s mold toxic people, you know, chronic fatigue and autoimmune and otherwise, you know, 10 years ago. But it is a hot topic, but it’s also too, you know, it is trendy. Yeah. So it’s a hot topic.
Dr. Weitz: Yeah, no, you feel like there is a trend, like everybody had, you know, adrenal fatigue and everybody had hypothyroid and everybody has chronic fatigue and everybody and
Dr. Krick: parasites have had
Dr. Weitz: parasites and now everybody has mast cell and.
Dr. Krick: But I think it’s interesting that mold is like a, it’s in the Old Testament, you know, it’s a biblical concept.
It’s been around forever as a problem, but more and more people are uncovering it as a problem. But I think of just like everything else that we’ve talked about, you know, again, as a generalist, it’s like, yeah, that’s a problem, but what else? And it’s not a problem for everybody. You know, even in one family, it’s not a problem for everybody, right?
And the world is not a mold-free place, right?
Dr. Weitz: It
Dr. Krick: never will be.
Dr. Weitz: Right?
Dr. Krick: So [00:49:00] understanding those concepts is how you could take it from being a little too crazy with it. To be in, like realistic. It’s an antigen, it’s a driver. Right. But those stories are always fascinating.
Dr. Weitz: I agree. So, let’s bring this to a close.
Tell our viewers and listeners how they can get in touch with you and find out more about you.
Dr. Krick: Yeah. So you could follow my podcast, the Autoimmune Doc podcast. You know, I’ve told Dr. Ben that I’m, I look up to him for his frequency of posting. Mines nowhere near as frequent, but I’ve got a, you know, 70 or so episodes, a fraction of what you have, but just educating on these concepts.
You know, some of ’em are just me talking. Some of them are me interviewing an expert. Dr. Ben’s gonna come on my podcast soon also, so you’ll find that episode on there. I also have a YouTube channel that’s under, it’s actually now under Autoimmune Doc Podcast as well. My clinic is called Washington Wellness Center, which has confused some people because it’s not the state of Washington.
It’s
Dr. Weitz: right
Dr. Krick: Washington, Illinois, which is a small town [00:50:00] outside of Peoria, which is my home, my hometown. But wash, WASH, wash wellness center.com or on Instagram, autoimmune Doc. But any of those places are good places to follow and hear are the education. You know, my, my thing is again, that when you educate people on these concepts, you know the concepts that we’re talking about, the concepts of functional medicine, the concepts of gut healing, toxicity, then the action steps.
Make a lot more sense because like we said, there’s a world of action steps out there. It’s like, do I need a hyperbaric oxygen in the ozone or do I need, you know, to kill parasites or do I have heavy metals? And it’s like all those are maybes. How do you know what you need and putting those into a stepwise fashion.
But anyway, that’s kind of the focus of my social media is just education first. It’s not a lot of sales or anything like that. It’s actually none. We should probably be better at that, but that’s where you could find me.
Dr. Weitz: Sounds good, Taylor. Thank you and [00:51:00] I’ll talk to you soon.
Dr. Krick: Awesome. Thanks for having me.
Appreciate it.
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